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So there's been a lot of back and forth on my own page and others concerning both my own artwork and that of Tom Preston. Most of the angry and negative feedback I've received, while some of it is useful, generally is peppered with insults and personal attacks, most of which stem from my defense of Preston's work.
A lot of the more trollish comments concern a months old journal entry challenging the horde to deliver a useful and non insulting critique, using the assumption that they were not capable of doing so. As surmised they were not.
What's most surprising is that it continues to draw the ire of ED people after so long.  Generally I pose a question to the dissenters: Is it not more logical to disregard that which you hate or have no interest in, and instead to spend your time on something you do enjoy? This question usually goes unanswered. If one such raging child answered "Yes, it is more logical' then their constant page watching and insulting remarks show their hypocrisy. If they were to answer "No, it is not more logical," they are likely lacking in common sense or suffer some debilitating brain issue. In the case of the latter I'd be sympathetic, at least. :B
You'd think at some point people would find something better to do, but it speaks volumes of their lack of intelligence and maturity. I believe that many are literally incapable of writing constructive and non-insulting critique. I get what I can from it anyway, some such comments have decent advice. So it's been quite helpful in a sort of twisted way.
We can only hope that someday these people will turn 16 and start becoming too busy with high school to continue raging and being idiotic on the internet. I imagine keyboard sales will go down since there won't be as many of them smashing them to bits on their parent's tables, but oh well. :D
Ya'll stay peachy.
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:iconhallowedlady:
Hallowedlady Featured By Owner Oct 22, 2012
Oh look you've written yet another journal about ED...you're not going to let this one go are you?

Honestly just do the smart thing and move on because right now, you look like the guy trying to get his ex-girlfriend's attention and it's funny but also kind of sad to see.
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Hayakain Featured By Owner Oct 22, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
The Journal is about people from ED that are here on dA.
It's not a plea for attention, it's here on my own page. If they see it, it's because they were already here on my page to begin with, whether I was attempting to draw people or not.
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Hallowedlady Featured By Owner Oct 23, 2012
Why bother though, it doesn't do you any good.
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Hayakain Featured By Owner Oct 23, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Au Contraire. With the bad comes the good, and of the people that come here after ED writes pages of insults, some like what they see and stick around. There's nothing bad about that.
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Hallowedlady Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2012
Still it looks like a cheap to get attention, whilst also trying to cover up your own feeling of anger and upset.
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Hayakain Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Re-read my original reply. There is no anger here, merely surprise at the amount of time people spend attacking others when they could simply disregard that which they dislike but have no moral qualm with.
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Hallowedlady Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2012
But it sounds like anger, not matter how many times you say 'I am not upset' you will seem upset over it. That is because you are drawing attention to it without need, this isn't your first journal about ED. Just stop here and now, move on and draw a line under it.
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Hayakain Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
I cannot draw attention to it as I am posting on my own page. The only way they see it is if they are here ON said page. This never was a plea for attention, I am not angry. If you disagree with either of these that's fine, it is irrelevant.
I use my own page for my own purposes. How people react is entirely up to them.
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SwinInSoup Featured By Owner Oct 16, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
One question:

You say that some of the comments had helpful advice. And yet, despite the face that both the insulting and non insulting comments criticized you on the same grounds, you have yet to improve.

If some of the comments were helpful, why haven't you implemented any of them? Why has all the art you have produced since that journal has been the same as the are before it, and with the exact same flaws?

Oh, and also: I enjoy hating things.
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Hayakain Featured By Owner Oct 16, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
I disagree, I improve constantly. What is here on Deviantart is not a representation of what I have gained necessarily.
I advise you to not be so quick to assume things.
And I am not surprised that you do, it shows your social incompetence.
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CalvinStrider Featured By Owner Oct 21, 2012
Um...
If you're going to claim somebody who asks you a honest question on your improvement has "social incompetence"...
...it's no wonder you're getting insulting critiques if you're relentlessly insulting these people and predisposed against them.
No need to act like an internet tough guy, y'know. :I
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Hayakain Featured By Owner Oct 21, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
The incompetence remark was directed against the 'I enjoy hating things' remark. Show me how such an ideology could be anything but. I'd suggest you understand the context of a statement before you decide a response was inadequate.
The insulting critiques came first, I merely respond as I find most logical. If I have made an illogica statement, show it to me.
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CalvinStrider Featured By Owner Oct 22, 2012
Um, why are you making all of these demands of me all of a sudden?
Uh...okay, I guess?
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Hayakain Featured By Owner Oct 22, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
So you have no response?
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CalvinStrider Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2012
Nope.
[link]
Here you go, happy banning.
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Hayakain Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Happy Banning? I think you ought to re-word that.
Also, that's an ED link , I don't think I'll be clicking it.
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SwinInSoup Featured By Owner Oct 17, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Can you show me proof of these claims? Do you have any art that IS a representation of what you have gained? Specifically art that was drawn AFTER your infamous journals that can be compared with things you have made prior to posting it and show visible improvement in the areas where the reviews you claim to have taken to heart have criticized you?
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Hayakain Featured By Owner Oct 17, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
I have a portfolio I've been editing that contains such works. It is not viewable online and I only send it to clients. I will not be sending it to you.
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SwinInSoup Featured By Owner Oct 17, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Can you present ANY art that can prove your claims?

I mean, neither of us can prove or disprove our point without you showing art. But due to your highly unusual and avoidant nature of your response to being asked to see it, it is not unreasonable to be doubtful of what you say.

Also, almost all of the criticism you received was about the size, shape and other tributes of the breasts in your art. As well as other criticism regarding topics of a sexual nature. If you say that you have implemented said advice in your portfolio, am I to understand that you art portfolio also consists mostly of drawings of sexy cat girls?
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Hayakain Featured By Owner Oct 17, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Actually the criticisms I received contained a large amount of complaints over my male lead character. There were complaints about other things as well but a good chunk of it was directed to that.
You may be doubtful of what I say if you wish, it's no concern of mine whether you believe it or not. I will only present portfolio worthy additions to clients for specific projects, not here on dA, where I am content to post simple commission work, requests, and the like.
And you are wrong to understand the content of my portfolio. I already advised you to not assume.
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SwinInSoup Featured By Owner Oct 18, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
How can I not assume? In the face of no concrete evidence from either side the only thing to do it choose which is more likely. In this case you seem to imply that you have improved, yet all proof of it is conveniently tucked away were no one may look at it.

Also stemming from your explanation is that, despite improving, you continue to go out of your way to intentionally repeat your old mistakes when making art for DA.

I am sure my doubts do not concern you, regardless, you should know that anyone who reads this exchange will probably come to the logical conclusion that it is more likely that you have not improved.

Also, I don't want to look at your portfolio. Anything you show from this point on will raise the suspicion that you recently to try and prove a point. So any chance of you redeeming yourself had effectively gone out the window.
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Hayakain Featured By Owner Oct 18, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
You assumed what my portfolio contains without so much as asking what was in it, which would have been the logical step to take.
I have improved. You don't have to believe it, as in my view you were predisposed against me from the moment you came here. You like hating things, after all. My word is good enough, and if it isn't for you, that's just tough rocks.
I have no desire to 'redeem' myself to you, as I have done no wrong. 'Redeeming' myself in your eyes would be far more likely to be a detriment to me.
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THAT1guyinmyCAR Featured By Owner Oct 14, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
lol

tell it like it is brotha
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Bastendorf Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2012
Well think you're awesome. If you'd like, I could give you my 100% honest feedback on pictures in your gallery.
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Project00Wolfen Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Dio: -walks in dressed like Agent Smith- It is purpose of the internet...purpose to derive...purpose to scrutinize....to thrive...it is purpose that we strive. We're here because of you, Mr. :iconhayakain:. And came here to get what we wanted....PURPOSE!
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Hayakain Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
:iconagentsmithplz:
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Project00Wolfen Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
You know it to be true
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Nero--Angelo Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
don't you just love how smith himself became a virus, just like he thought humans were x3
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LiquidDookie05 Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
This comment made me lol! :rofl: :iconicameplz: :iconroflmaoplz: :iconhurrhurrplz:
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Project00Wolfen Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
hehehe
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tailsprower Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well, on occasion, or almost all the time, kids will be kids. Course, there are probably are several handfuls of teenagers or even young adults who have the same mentality. Though, yeah, it's more a stereotype among those 12-13 year-old kids. However, it could just be they have such a bad life, they have the need to just lash out, but really they probably just don't stop and think.
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Hayakain Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Agreed. Such habits need to be curbed before they turn into something far worse.
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NinjaHeart Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2012
Honestly--I like Tom Preston's work. And after reading his ED page recently--really? People are still fixated on THAT?!
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Hayakain Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
He's not the best artist by any stretch, but he's got a good deal going. Most of the hate started when he rose to popularity with SYAC. I could give you an exact timeline of hate comments by topic. Once they wear one out, they invent a new one, just so they always have something to hate.
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NinjaHeart Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2012
Yeah, but I think his style suits his work. And while some of it can be preachy--mostly the NSYAC strips--I still think they're enjoyable.
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spacezillazon Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Well you could always block their comments as spam or hide the comments too.Well I think your an incredibly good artist those people need to Stop their scrap talking and if they don't ignore most of them or all depending on you preference on that

Your far too talented just don't bother with them
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Hayakain Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Oh I have blocked some of them. Then they write seething journals and get their buddies to come to play. But you're right, I take some helpful things away regardless so it's really win-win.
Thank you for the kind words. :)
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spacezillazon Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Well I support you ongoing :salute: your welcome glad to help in some way
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KidoKoala Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
Constructive criticism is always good, but as far as people who criticize your artwork in a negative fashion, just because they don't like it, haters are always gonna hate--don't let them get to you.
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Hayakain Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Aye, constructive is the key word. But these people seem unable to separate criticism from insult.
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KidoKoala Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
Yeah, probably true, unfortunately.
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InfectedLobster Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
lol I think what's worse is when people say "oh you can't take criticism"
and all they say is
"FURFAG" or "DUDE U SUCK"
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KidoKoala Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
lol
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InfectedLobster Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Lol people compare your art to toms? HOW you're talented?!jk jk

in all seriousness I don't care about Tom preston or his work for my own reasons but instead of going around saying "grr I hate this guy, who lives miles away from me and wont ever meet me" I just don't care about him or what he does so I just don't pay attention to him.
I don't get why people just like to rant and rave like mad monkeys. I'm all for opinions and giving one, when people ask me about Bleedman or Tom I just say "I'm not a fan." and leave it at that.

Sorry bout those guys man : I buuut as you put mostly they just quote ED CUS WE ALL KNOW ED IS A GOOD SOURCE
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Hayakain Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
There ya go. Don't like something, why waste your time.
It's no comparison of me to him, it's that I challenged the people littering his page with crap to do something useful and they flew off the handle.
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InfectedLobster Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
exactly. I mean you can have your opinion and be open about it, but theres a limit to freedom of speech and just trolling.
Honestly I don't mind criticism, and yeah I know that he has a reputation of not taking criticism
but after years of just
"hurdur u sux preston" I can see where he comes from when it comes to most of his comments
...ohbut fuck that ED hates him so I must to! :I
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Hayakain Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Indeed. I mean maybe at one time the guy had problems with it but he's been a lot better about it and he's a decent chap. A truly objective person would admit that he's been actively accepting and even requesting critique. That's what lets me know they aren't wanting to see him improve, they just want to have something to attack. The internet hate machine forgiveth not.
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InfectedLobster Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I honestly hate that shit so much and how they hide behind "constructive criticism"
They say that, but when the person improves they ignore it completely and never let go of the past and go "oh he still did THAT"...about years ago
and I've seen Tom improve and he seems to be changing and I'm sure he's a great guy, and I'm not going to judge someone I don't fully know
and even his humor is getting better
but honestly I say we both ignore that internet hate machine and let them rage while we be normal users and have a good time on here uvu
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Hayakain Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
I can drink to that. :D I wasn't even planning to write this journal but it happens a little too often so I figured I'd mention it.
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InfectedLobster Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
XD honestly its best to let your opinion on it if youre tired of it uv u
if you have something to say, do it BD!!! *fistbump*
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